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hey guys how's it going

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welcome welcome welcome guys thank you

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so much for being here

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yet another another interview here on

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the disclosure team

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youtube channel um

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i just want to say again look thank you

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for all the support that i've been

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getting on this channel it really means

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so much and it just keeps pushing me to

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to get more guests and do more

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interviews so i you know

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all of you guys that have watched

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previous interviews that are here right

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now

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thank you so much big shout out to my

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friend josh uap

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uk thank you for the super chat man it

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means so much so

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without further ado guys i think a lot

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of us are familiar with the um aerial

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case

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rua zimbabwe 1994 the mass sighting with

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around 60 school children with us today

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we have one of the

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original investigators who was there at

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the time looking into to what happened

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so without further ado i'd love to

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introduce

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mr gunter hofer gunter

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hello how are you my friend very well

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vinnie and yourself

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i'm doing great thank you so much um

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so guys in the chat if you could just

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give us a thumbs up if you can hear us

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both

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just get cracking

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i always like to make sure that these

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things are okay because i yeah

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always dread that we've had a big long

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discussion and someone's not been able

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to hear anything

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good great guys so gunther before we get

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into it i just want to play a short clip

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for everyone

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so um but just get an idea of uh

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and i believe you're in this video so

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in the trees over there there's been a

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ufo alert across southern africa

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this is a continuation of possible ufo

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story

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a large brightly colored object was seen

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traveling

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very fast above zimbabwe zambia

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and south africa i thought it was an

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alien and he had big eyes several planes

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saw it

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the experts are baffled

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rua ariel school 19th september

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could you tell me what you saw on on

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friday well it looked like it was like

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glinting in the trees like it looks like

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roundabout like a

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like a disc like a round are you sure it

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harrier jump jet or something that the

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kind of like that

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i saw something silver on the ground

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amongst the trees

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and the person in black they had

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big black eyes that's all i saw i saw a

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glimpse they kind of turned around

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and stared and then went back into a

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kind of like ship

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i saw this the silver thing

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in amongst this clump of trees with this

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one thing sitting

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on the side and another thing sort of

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like running up and down

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the top what does he look like his face

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was like this

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and his eyes were down here mr mackey

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your head master of aerial school tell

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me what what what do you think of

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all this um i feel sure that the

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feel that they did see something we

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asked them to draw pictures of what they

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saw on friday and um after looking at us

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are not common with but to actually say

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that it was a ufo

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i would be reluctant to make a decision

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what did you see i just uh saw a glow

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over my chicken run

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a very orange glow it was a helicopter

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you know it was just big round wall can

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you just tell us what happened the other

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night at creva we suddenly looked up and

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thing coming over the top of the hill as

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came at the best of us it suddenly

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the two engines but then one thing we

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the lack of sound in total i would say

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about 14 people saw this

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in our group anyway

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they did tell me from london this could

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be the biggest story

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i said to tim yesterday i mean i i do

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believe the children saw something

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so adore what equipment have you brought

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with you

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well gunther is a highly technical chap

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and he's made his own gaga counter his

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own metal detector

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we're going to check it out and see if

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there's any radioactivity there

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cynthia what are your impressions after

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this morning's little expedition

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well i certainly believe the children

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have come across a similar type of thing

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in broad haven in wales 1979

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and the british didn't believe it

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although i went down three times and

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it's

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very similar to the whole incident here

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wow how does that feel seeing yourself

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well brings back a lot of memories for

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sure you know

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and listening to you know the late

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cynthia heinz you know also

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you know brings back good memories as

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well you know and all

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she had uh contributed to this case

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bringing it to lights you know

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yeah absolutely you know so let's jump

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right back to that time or even

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beforehand

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what your background was leading up to

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that how you got involved with cynthia

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hein so if you could just sort of

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go from there that'd be really

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interesting thank you gunther yeah i

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mean i

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got interested in ufology by chance

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my father was reading one of cynthia's

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books

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in my june the my late teens basically

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it was this book

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uf after afternoons african encounters

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wow

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um it's a fantastic book actually if you

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ever get a chance to get hold of this

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amazing stories i'll add it to my list

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and uh i read it and i was fascinated i

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was really really drawn

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by the topic and what happened and

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some of the evidence she gathered which

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was just absolutely amazing i never

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heard about

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ufos before that time right um

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and my father didn't even share the book

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so i just picked it up so it was kind of

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and then one day i showed it

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showed it to my gran and she

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was talking about it and she told me oh

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i've seen a ufo

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i said what you've seen a ufo i said

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when is that she said

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1968 in cipalilo

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in north west zimbabwe and she described

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seeing this very bright light initially

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she was outside it's a small like

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town or village and she saw

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a bright light in the distance and this

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was during the time during

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the war in zimbabwe right liberation

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struggle as they call it

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um she was standing here with she had a

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little shop there and she was standing

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security guard and they were just

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in the early evening and from the

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distance they noticed this very bright

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light approaching the area

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and she said oh maybe it's a helicopter

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or a plane or something but it

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had no noise and as it got closer and

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closer and closer

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she could make out the shape of the

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with this very intense bright light on

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anything

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and i said so what did it look like she

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said it was all black

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and and she said oh

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if you take two super bowls inverted

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over each other that's how it looked

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so that's it

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yeah and she went on to say it was a

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tree lip tree height level

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and it seemed to be coming to land near

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where they were

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wow you know there are lots of people

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excited about this you know pointing at

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the strange

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looking object in the sky coming down

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silently

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and all of a sudden like if it noticed

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these people all

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getting excited it just she said it just

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shot off at an angle

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wow it appeared and that was the end of

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it

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um that's incredible and

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yeah and that was her experience of a

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ufo you know and then of course that

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really drew me in after her school yeah

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he never spoke about it and

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just because i mentioned it to her that

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i was reading this book

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about you know ufos and yeah i saw one

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of these objects i was like

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taking but taken aback about that you

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know she actually saw something

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that is interesting and then i

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noticed because at the back in the book

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it there was a

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postal address where people could report

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or write to cynthia i wrote to her

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not straight away this was like late on

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when i was in high school

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just about finished high school i was

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keen in electronics and making gadgets

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and stuff like that

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i wrote her and i said look i've made

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this device it's like an electrostatic

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device it picks up fields you know let

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your electric fields maybe

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would be useful in your cases

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um picking up the presence of anything

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that generates

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electric fields because often ufos seem

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to be associated with

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disturbance in you know cars

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engines failing or electrical equipment

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failure and things like that so i

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thought this device

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would pick it up would it pick up like

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electromagnetism as well or is it that

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different

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it's it's it wasn't that magnolia

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magnometer

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as such it does like let's feel static

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fields

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that kind of thing you know so but it

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was very sensitive so it could pick up

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lightning

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in the distance and things like that wow

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so um she came back to me and said oh

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yeah

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that'd be really interesting and would

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you mind me inviting you over

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to one of our talks and i said oh that'd

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be fantastic you know

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and so she used to have

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maybe twice or three times a year she

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used to invite people

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certain people to a home to talk on the

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latest

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um reports that she had come across both

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locally and

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internationally sure because she was

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mufon representative for africa

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basically right

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um so a lot of her research was was

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in that and taking those reports and

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sending them off to mufon or writing her

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own books

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and this one she wrote her first book

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this one yeah african encounters

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and then later on she she obviously

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wrote the

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ufos over africa her second book and

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that's in the last

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chapters she mentions ariel because that

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was she just added it in because

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it just happened at that time when she

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was about to finish the book you know

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wow that's incredible well that's

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fortunate of her and then obviously as

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what happened basically going forward

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um cynthia received a call from tim

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leach

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the bbc you know cameraman reporter

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yeah um that he had

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i think some parents had contacted bbc

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saying

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something happened at the school

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something strange

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you know crafted landed etc so he

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contacted cynthia saying look

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there's been a year for reports

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craft landed at a school and everything

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and he has spoken to mr mackey

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if we can interview the kids and he's

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arranged

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to come over you know after the weekend

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because the case the landing happened on

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the 16th friday the 16th

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and we were going to go the following

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week just after the weekend

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just to get out to aerial school

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and you know talk to the kids and then

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obviously go out into the field and do a

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little bit of an investigation

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around while we have it's probably good

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to get it in

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so soon afterwards it's still fresh i

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mean cynthia was almost

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enthusiastic to go actually on friday i

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mean

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it would have been great if we could

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have because it'd be really fresh but it

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was

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late in the day the kids were going home

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and you know the school was gonna be

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closed anyway

348
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yeah um anyway we

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drove out to aerial school myself

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cynthia tim leach and cynthia's son

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was helping out just with the equipment

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carrying the equipment

353
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and we got to the school obviously the

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kids were quite excited here the bbc

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was coming um to phone them and

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you know document what they had seen but

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the good thing cynthia had told mr

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mackey before we come can you get the

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kids to

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draw while it was fresh in the mind and

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they

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hadn't discussed it much with each other

363
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sure so you know there wouldn't be too

364
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much interference from

365
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you know someone telling this kid and

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that kid what they saw

367
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because they would draw what they saw

368
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um and obviously you got to the school

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there's a whole pile of

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papers of all the drawings which are

371
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absolutely fascinating to

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look at um obviously many of you might

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have seen

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the drawings that have come out and i've

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shown on the bbc some of those joints

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there

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that we just showed vinnie probably

378
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bring some up if you keep talking i'll

379
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try and get something yeah

380
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i've got a picture of somebody here you

381
00:14:58,629 --> 00:14:55,680
know the cameraman that's on

382
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the day we went wow you never get quite

383
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to see him but

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here he is you never do no that's

385
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so cynthia had the teachers brought some

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of the kids into

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a staff room with

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the headmaster and we questioned the

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kids and

390
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you know asked them obviously what we

391
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wanted was to have them

392
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on their own but we couldn't get them on

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at the time

394
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because of you know i think the teachers

395
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just wanted to

396
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oversee this because of parental concern

397
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and

398
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obviously we probably weren't vetted

399
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people so

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you know letting us be along with

401
00:15:41,990 --> 00:15:39,199
children wasn't you know

402
00:15:43,189 --> 00:15:42,000
allowed that kind of thing so we were

403
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talking to the kids

404
00:15:49,910 --> 00:15:46,240
and they told us some of their stories

405
00:15:51,590 --> 00:15:49,920
uh about some of them actually drew i

406
00:15:53,749 --> 00:15:51,600
noticed on the drawing some of them said

407
00:15:53,990 --> 00:15:53,759
on thursday they saw this and on friday

408
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they

409
00:15:57,430 --> 00:15:56,079
saw the landing so there were actually

410
00:15:59,749 --> 00:15:57,440
two events

411
00:16:02,150 --> 00:15:59,759
at the school some of the kids saw what

412
00:16:05,189 --> 00:16:02,160
looked like a cigar-shaped object

413
00:16:06,389 --> 00:16:05,199
wow flying but it didn't land it just

414
00:16:08,629 --> 00:16:06,399
flew

415
00:16:10,470 --> 00:16:08,639
and it seemed to be appearing

416
00:16:13,030 --> 00:16:10,480
disappearing like lights appearing and

417
00:16:15,269 --> 00:16:13,040
then disappearing like if it was jumping

418
00:16:16,470 --> 00:16:15,279
in space like not traveling almost

419
00:16:17,910 --> 00:16:16,480
jumping

420
00:16:20,069 --> 00:16:17,920
yeah you know that's reported a lot in a

421
00:16:23,829 --> 00:16:20,079
lot of ufo cases

422
00:16:25,509 --> 00:16:23,839
it's it's it's almost like the skipping

423
00:16:27,269 --> 00:16:25,519
it's like a skipped frame you know you

424
00:16:27,990 --> 00:16:27,279
sit there and say oh it's over here you

425
00:16:32,069 --> 00:16:28,000
know yeah

426
00:16:33,189 --> 00:16:32,079
yeah wow um and they saw these lights

427
00:16:35,829 --> 00:16:33,199
obviously

428
00:16:36,230 --> 00:16:35,839
and then off then going further on on

429
00:16:47,350 --> 00:16:36,240
the

430
00:16:51,509 --> 00:16:47,360
coming down

431
00:16:53,350 --> 00:16:51,519
to land and it landed in a

432
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somewhere between the trees these gum

433
00:16:56,389 --> 00:16:54,720
trees at

434
00:16:57,749 --> 00:16:56,399
outside the boundary of the school they

435
00:16:59,749 --> 00:16:57,759
had these large

436
00:17:01,189 --> 00:16:59,759
logs on the edge of the the school

437
00:17:03,430 --> 00:17:01,199
boundary

438
00:17:05,029 --> 00:17:03,440
so the kids knew they mustn't go beyond

439
00:17:05,750 --> 00:17:05,039
this point because the rest of the area

440
00:17:08,949 --> 00:17:05,760
was

441
00:17:10,789 --> 00:17:08,959
long grass and bushed up area

442
00:17:12,470 --> 00:17:10,799
and it's funny because this this behind

443
00:17:14,789 --> 00:17:12,480
me is actually an overview of our real

444
00:17:18,870 --> 00:17:14,799
school so we're probably talking about

445
00:17:21,909 --> 00:17:18,880
you know sort of is there borderline

446
00:17:23,590 --> 00:17:21,919
i mean if you look at this picture here

447
00:17:25,990 --> 00:17:23,600
oh there you go yeah you can see it's

448
00:17:29,190 --> 00:17:26,000
very it was very arid

449
00:17:30,870 --> 00:17:29,200
dry at the time yeah and yeah you can

450
00:17:31,990 --> 00:17:30,880
see one two of the kids you can see

451
00:17:34,950 --> 00:17:32,000
behind them how long the

452
00:17:36,870 --> 00:17:34,960
grass and yeah i see we walked with them

453
00:17:38,870 --> 00:17:36,880
there so they came with us

454
00:17:39,909 --> 00:17:38,880
to show us where they saw the craft et

455
00:17:41,430 --> 00:17:39,919
cetera landing

456
00:17:42,950 --> 00:17:41,440
i'll just quickly bring up these photos

457
00:17:44,150 --> 00:17:42,960
again so that's one of them i've just

458
00:17:45,909 --> 00:17:44,160
found i mean

459
00:17:48,549 --> 00:17:45,919
you can see the grass there on the side

460
00:17:51,750 --> 00:17:48,559
and the trees of course yeah

461
00:17:54,870 --> 00:17:51,760
that's amazing and they again

462
00:17:55,350 --> 00:17:54,880
the grass as well with the trees yeah i

463
00:17:58,470 --> 00:17:55,360
mean that's

464
00:18:00,150 --> 00:17:58,480
yeah so quite a lot of photos sorry

465
00:18:02,070 --> 00:18:00,160
a lot of drawings it wasn't just two or

466
00:18:05,110 --> 00:18:02,080
three there was

467
00:18:09,270 --> 00:18:05,120
20 plus or you know yeah yeah yeah

468
00:18:11,590 --> 00:18:09,280
so sorry carry on so um

469
00:18:14,390 --> 00:18:11,600
after we interviewed some of the kids we

470
00:18:16,710 --> 00:18:14,400
they took us outside to

471
00:18:18,789 --> 00:18:16,720
to show us you know the direction they

472
00:18:22,310 --> 00:18:18,799
saw the craft

473
00:18:24,470 --> 00:18:22,320
and we had we had two it seemed like

474
00:18:27,270 --> 00:18:24,480
there were two events happening

475
00:18:29,190 --> 00:18:27,280
one with the main craft and then there

476
00:18:29,909 --> 00:18:29,200
were other crafts that seemed to have

477
00:18:32,070 --> 00:18:29,919
landed

478
00:18:33,510 --> 00:18:32,080
elsewhere just a little bit further on

479
00:18:36,710 --> 00:18:33,520
one side some kids said

480
00:18:39,190 --> 00:18:36,720
we saw these other craft like landing

481
00:18:41,909 --> 00:18:39,200
towards that side in a more bushy area

482
00:18:42,470 --> 00:18:41,919
with long grass but the main event was

483
00:18:45,590 --> 00:18:42,480
happening

484
00:18:48,950 --> 00:18:45,600
on the right-hand side

485
00:18:50,950 --> 00:18:48,960
of the school grounds facing out yeah

486
00:18:52,870 --> 00:18:50,960
um so everyone's attention was drawing

487
00:18:55,190 --> 00:18:52,880
but some of the kids saw this

488
00:18:56,549 --> 00:18:55,200
few other craft going this way that's

489
00:18:57,270 --> 00:18:56,559
something you don't hear a lot about

490
00:18:59,590 --> 00:18:57,280
when

491
00:19:01,590 --> 00:18:59,600
in relation to this case yeah exactly

492
00:19:03,110 --> 00:19:01,600
it's just small things like that

493
00:19:04,630 --> 00:19:03,120
and i'll tell you why that is

494
00:19:07,990 --> 00:19:04,640
significant later on

495
00:19:09,430 --> 00:19:08,000
sure um so the kids took us

496
00:19:13,350 --> 00:19:09,440
and also the interesting thing i was

497
00:19:15,430 --> 00:19:13,360
with tim tim leach and two of the kids

498
00:19:17,190 --> 00:19:15,440
and while they were pointing out where

499
00:19:20,630 --> 00:19:17,200
they saw this thing we

500
00:19:21,590 --> 00:19:20,640
tim and i and i think two those two kids

501
00:19:24,870 --> 00:19:21,600
i just showed you

502
00:19:27,750 --> 00:19:24,880
yeah guy and ferrai um

503
00:19:28,070 --> 00:19:27,760
guy we saw this light actually no one

504
00:19:29,830 --> 00:19:28,080
tell

505
00:19:31,830 --> 00:19:29,840
we've never told anyone really we saw

506
00:19:33,430 --> 00:19:31,840
this light on a copy

507
00:19:35,270 --> 00:19:33,440
a copy in zimbabwe is like a small

508
00:19:39,430 --> 00:19:35,280
little rocky outcrop

509
00:19:42,710 --> 00:19:39,440
like a hill yeah at the far end

510
00:19:45,590 --> 00:19:42,720
out in the bush opposite the school

511
00:19:47,110 --> 00:19:45,600
and we saw this very bright light and to

512
00:19:50,390 --> 00:19:47,120
be honest

513
00:19:51,110 --> 00:19:50,400
we thought it was something reflecting

514
00:19:52,630 --> 00:19:51,120
off you know

515
00:19:55,110 --> 00:19:52,640
the sunlight you know like maybe a

516
00:19:58,070 --> 00:19:55,120
window or

517
00:20:00,390 --> 00:19:58,080
because in zimbabwe a lot of the houses

518
00:20:03,830 --> 00:20:00,400
rural houses were built with

519
00:20:05,909 --> 00:20:03,840
galvanized sheeting right so sometimes

520
00:20:07,669 --> 00:20:05,919
in the sun they might reflect a lot of

521
00:20:10,950 --> 00:20:07,679
light so i was thinking oh that

522
00:20:13,990 --> 00:20:10,960
that's that's that you know and we

523
00:20:15,270 --> 00:20:14,000
just continued talking to the kids uh

524
00:20:17,350 --> 00:20:15,280
where they saw the craft

525
00:20:18,789 --> 00:20:17,360
and then they proceeded to take us out

526
00:20:21,669 --> 00:20:18,799
to the to

527
00:20:22,470 --> 00:20:21,679
the area about roughly 200 meters i'd

528
00:20:24,950 --> 00:20:22,480
say

529
00:20:26,549 --> 00:20:24,960
from the edge of the playground to where

530
00:20:29,830 --> 00:20:26,559
the landing site

531
00:20:31,590 --> 00:20:29,840
was near them um

532
00:20:33,190 --> 00:20:31,600
but the ground was very hard in that

533
00:20:35,430 --> 00:20:33,200
area so we didn't see

534
00:20:36,870 --> 00:20:35,440
any like how can i say should i say

535
00:20:40,070 --> 00:20:36,880
physical

536
00:20:42,230 --> 00:20:40,080
indentations or yeah in that area or

537
00:20:45,830 --> 00:20:42,240
anything like that

538
00:20:46,870 --> 00:20:45,840
and obviously i took start some of my

539
00:20:53,990 --> 00:20:46,880
geiger

540
00:20:57,669 --> 00:20:54,000
metal detector and i had a the emf

541
00:20:59,750 --> 00:20:57,679
the electrostatic detector yeah

542
00:21:00,789 --> 00:20:59,760
um but there wasn't anything of

543
00:21:02,870 --> 00:21:00,799
significance that

544
00:21:05,029 --> 00:21:02,880
appeared and my geiger counter because

545
00:21:07,350 --> 00:21:05,039
it was homemade

546
00:21:08,630 --> 00:21:07,360
was you couldn't get proper equipment

547
00:21:11,830 --> 00:21:08,640
there so i

548
00:21:13,990 --> 00:21:11,840
was making them myself as best as i can

549
00:21:16,070 --> 00:21:14,000
i also went to the university to ask if

550
00:21:19,909 --> 00:21:16,080
we could borrow their geiger counter

551
00:21:22,310 --> 00:21:19,919
but theirs was broken so oh no

552
00:21:24,870 --> 00:21:22,320
i there was no chance to take a proper

553
00:21:27,909 --> 00:21:24,880
proper sensitive geiger counter with me

554
00:21:30,070 --> 00:21:27,919
yeah um and

555
00:21:31,190 --> 00:21:30,080
because the kid said oh the you know the

556
00:21:32,950 --> 00:21:31,200
insects were

557
00:21:34,789 --> 00:21:32,960
dead on the ground or something but i

558
00:21:35,909 --> 00:21:34,799
couldn't really see any insects that we

559
00:21:38,310 --> 00:21:35,919
did on the ground

560
00:21:39,909 --> 00:21:38,320
right the ground was just very arid

561
00:21:41,270 --> 00:21:39,919
because the country had going

562
00:21:43,110 --> 00:21:41,280
has been going was going through a

563
00:21:46,390 --> 00:21:43,120
drought at that time sure

564
00:21:49,590 --> 00:21:46,400
um so everything was dry

565
00:21:52,710 --> 00:21:49,600
anyway um we just

566
00:21:55,350 --> 00:21:52,720
scouted around and cynthia

567
00:21:56,149 --> 00:21:55,360
went on another path down the you know

568
00:22:00,070 --> 00:21:56,159
further on

569
00:22:02,149 --> 00:22:00,080
you know looking around that area um

570
00:22:03,990 --> 00:22:02,159
and then we came back and we spoke to

571
00:22:05,669 --> 00:22:04,000
the kids again

572
00:22:07,510 --> 00:22:05,679
to find out if there's anything else

573
00:22:09,029 --> 00:22:07,520
they would like to talk about

574
00:22:10,950 --> 00:22:09,039
well this is when i found out about

575
00:22:13,270 --> 00:22:10,960
these other kids who said they saw

576
00:22:15,350 --> 00:22:13,280
something over this side

577
00:22:17,270 --> 00:22:15,360
so i asked them what did you see and

578
00:22:17,909 --> 00:22:17,280
they said the smaller craft they went

579
00:22:21,190 --> 00:22:17,919
outside

580
00:22:23,510 --> 00:22:21,200
and later on cynthia and

581
00:22:24,390 --> 00:22:23,520
her later little booklets that she used

582
00:22:32,870 --> 00:22:24,400
to

583
00:22:34,710 --> 00:22:32,880
because i went out the following weekend

584
00:22:36,390 --> 00:22:34,720
so i could have more time to actually

585
00:22:38,149 --> 00:22:36,400
look over the grounds quietly without

586
00:22:41,430 --> 00:22:38,159
any disturbance

587
00:22:43,909 --> 00:22:41,440
i had a friend of mine from work

588
00:22:45,029 --> 00:22:43,919
where i was working in aurora to just

589
00:22:48,230 --> 00:22:45,039
help me

590
00:22:51,430 --> 00:22:48,240
take some pictures sure and i

591
00:22:52,630 --> 00:22:51,440
took my camera as well and

592
00:22:54,470 --> 00:22:52,640
because i was going to go there and take

593
00:22:55,830 --> 00:22:54,480
some soil samples

594
00:22:58,230 --> 00:22:55,840
around the area to see if there's

595
00:23:01,350 --> 00:22:58,240
anything that would turn up

596
00:23:03,029 --> 00:23:01,360
uh cynthia said nothing has really

597
00:23:05,029 --> 00:23:03,039
come of it you know there was nothing of

598
00:23:07,430 --> 00:23:05,039
significance

599
00:23:09,350 --> 00:23:07,440
and but then i went to the area where

600
00:23:12,310 --> 00:23:09,360
the boys said they saw something

601
00:23:15,110 --> 00:23:12,320
and when i went down there i saw two

602
00:23:16,789 --> 00:23:15,120
oval impressions on the ground

603
00:23:19,270 --> 00:23:16,799
so there were two oval impressions i

604
00:23:22,390 --> 00:23:19,280
took photographs of them

605
00:23:25,990 --> 00:23:22,400
and i marked them on the book here so

606
00:23:27,510 --> 00:23:26,000
if you look here so the main main event

607
00:23:31,029 --> 00:23:27,520
was happening this side

608
00:23:33,270 --> 00:23:31,039
okay kids were on the playground here

609
00:23:35,110 --> 00:23:33,280
and across here this was where the main

610
00:23:38,070 --> 00:23:35,120
ufo and then further down

611
00:23:40,230 --> 00:23:38,080
this side i drew these two ovals one a

612
00:23:42,789 --> 00:23:40,240
large oval which seemed to go across

613
00:23:44,070 --> 00:23:42,799
the path and to the other side and then

614
00:23:48,230 --> 00:23:44,080
a smaller one

615
00:23:52,549 --> 00:23:48,240
just next to it and they had a

616
00:23:55,590 --> 00:23:52,559
kind of like a clockwise

617
00:23:56,310 --> 00:23:55,600
rotation to the oval grass impression on

618
00:23:59,350 --> 00:23:56,320
the ground

619
00:24:03,669 --> 00:23:59,360
yeah yeah i'm with you so um

620
00:24:05,430 --> 00:24:03,679
slightly spiraled and

621
00:24:07,909 --> 00:24:05,440
i looked carefully and i found what

622
00:24:09,590 --> 00:24:07,919
looked like a wedge-shaped mark

623
00:24:11,510 --> 00:24:09,600
like i don't know if something pressed

624
00:24:17,190 --> 00:24:11,520
in the ground about the size

625
00:24:19,909 --> 00:24:17,200
about maybe 15-20 centimeters long

626
00:24:20,549 --> 00:24:19,919
five centimeters wide in a wedge kind of

627
00:24:21,990 --> 00:24:20,559
shape

628
00:24:23,669 --> 00:24:22,000
i mean that could be indicative of a

629
00:24:26,950 --> 00:24:23,679
landing leg

630
00:24:28,310 --> 00:24:26,960
you know speculating there it's hard to

631
00:24:32,230 --> 00:24:28,320
say exactly you know

632
00:24:36,310 --> 00:24:32,240
um and yeah so i found those

633
00:24:40,070 --> 00:24:36,320
two impressions and i took the pictures

634
00:24:43,830 --> 00:24:40,080
i got them uh some people know about it

635
00:24:46,149 --> 00:24:43,840
and i've given those out right and uh

636
00:24:48,950 --> 00:24:46,159
so it's not a well-known fact that

637
00:24:52,470 --> 00:24:48,960
that's that i had that evidence

638
00:24:54,149 --> 00:24:52,480
that's really really good data yeah so i

639
00:24:55,110 --> 00:24:54,159
mean i was always keen on getting data

640
00:24:56,789 --> 00:24:55,120
and getting photo

641
00:24:58,710 --> 00:24:56,799
photographs and saying that's why i made

642
00:25:00,870 --> 00:24:58,720
all these equipment because cynthia

643
00:25:02,390 --> 00:25:00,880
didn't have enough equipment or

644
00:25:04,950 --> 00:25:02,400
equipment wasn't available

645
00:25:06,070 --> 00:25:04,960
in sure region you know yeah so i

646
00:25:08,310 --> 00:25:06,080
decided to start

647
00:25:10,149 --> 00:25:08,320
making something so we could carry get

648
00:25:12,070 --> 00:25:10,159
some kind of data out of it

649
00:25:14,070 --> 00:25:12,080
sure i mean witness statements are great

650
00:25:18,230 --> 00:25:14,080
and photographs videos are great as well

651
00:25:20,149 --> 00:25:18,240
but that third data information is

652
00:25:21,830 --> 00:25:20,159
just as important sometimes even more

653
00:25:23,510 --> 00:25:21,840
important in some cases so

654
00:25:25,110 --> 00:25:23,520
i think that's really good that you were

655
00:25:26,230 --> 00:25:25,120
you know that's where you were your head

656
00:25:29,750 --> 00:25:26,240
was at

657
00:25:31,430 --> 00:25:29,760
yeah i mean um

658
00:25:34,549 --> 00:25:31,440
obviously i don't know if many of you

659
00:25:37,990 --> 00:25:34,559
know but on the

660
00:25:41,510 --> 00:25:38,000
on the wednesday prior to the landing

661
00:25:43,350 --> 00:25:41,520
there was what looked like

662
00:25:45,190 --> 00:25:43,360
there was a what we call the ufo flap

663
00:25:47,830 --> 00:25:45,200
over zimbabwe zambia i

664
00:25:48,549 --> 00:25:47,840
mentioned in the little clip you just

665
00:25:51,669 --> 00:25:48,559
spoke about

666
00:25:53,269 --> 00:25:51,679
you know lights in the sky yeah which

667
00:25:57,669 --> 00:25:53,279
preceded the whole event

668
00:26:00,310 --> 00:25:57,679
uh about two days before um

669
00:26:00,950 --> 00:26:00,320
and most people we thought it was

670
00:26:04,230 --> 00:26:00,960
probably

671
00:26:06,870 --> 00:26:04,240
uh breaking up of a satellite or some

672
00:26:07,430 --> 00:26:06,880
base degree coming through which which

673
00:26:09,710 --> 00:26:07,440
was

674
00:26:12,149 --> 00:26:09,720
breaking up and causing all this

675
00:26:14,710 --> 00:26:12,159
pyrotechnic effect in the sky

676
00:26:15,430 --> 00:26:14,720
sure i didn't see it myself but a lot of

677
00:26:18,470 --> 00:26:15,440
people

678
00:26:18,789 --> 00:26:18,480
in the region did see that and some of

679
00:26:20,630 --> 00:26:18,799
the

680
00:26:22,070 --> 00:26:20,640
reports were quite intriguing because

681
00:26:25,269 --> 00:26:22,080
they didn't sound

682
00:26:25,830 --> 00:26:25,279
like meteorites or satellite breaking up

683
00:26:28,230 --> 00:26:25,840
they were

684
00:26:29,190 --> 00:26:28,240
seem to be doing odd things and even i

685
00:26:31,909 --> 00:26:29,200
think in

686
00:26:32,630 --> 00:26:31,919
boulevard the southern town knobs and

687
00:26:35,269 --> 00:26:32,640
you know the

688
00:26:36,789 --> 00:26:35,279
next major town in zimbabwe in the

689
00:26:38,390 --> 00:26:36,799
southern part of the country they

690
00:26:40,789 --> 00:26:38,400
i think the fire brigade was called out

691
00:26:43,350 --> 00:26:40,799
because they thought it was actually a

692
00:26:45,350 --> 00:26:43,360
aircraft coming down you know wow and

693
00:26:48,310 --> 00:26:45,360
were any of the reports from um

694
00:26:49,590 --> 00:26:48,320
i think it was reported that some

695
00:26:51,029 --> 00:26:49,600
aircraft saw the

696
00:26:52,710 --> 00:26:51,039
the lights as well did you see any

697
00:26:54,710 --> 00:26:52,720
reports from pilots because

698
00:26:56,710 --> 00:26:54,720
that vantage point would probably be you

699
00:26:58,470 --> 00:26:56,720
know interesting to see

700
00:26:59,750 --> 00:26:58,480
i mean i didn't i didn't get those

701
00:27:03,110 --> 00:26:59,760
reports

702
00:27:06,390 --> 00:27:03,120
from the pilots itself but

703
00:27:10,149 --> 00:27:06,400
um in terms of the case

704
00:27:11,750 --> 00:27:10,159
even the the night after the landing

705
00:27:13,590 --> 00:27:11,760
near the school

706
00:27:15,350 --> 00:27:13,600
apparently someone was driving on the

707
00:27:16,549 --> 00:27:15,360
roads near the school there they were

708
00:27:19,510 --> 00:27:16,559
coming from the school

709
00:27:21,750 --> 00:27:19,520
in the evening about eight o'clock in

710
00:27:24,310 --> 00:27:21,760
that region it's quite dark

711
00:27:26,230 --> 00:27:24,320
and they they describe the scene like

712
00:27:27,029 --> 00:27:26,240
dead people on walking towards them on

713
00:27:28,950 --> 00:27:27,039
the road

714
00:27:31,350 --> 00:27:28,960
because you know it's just white here

715
00:27:33,029 --> 00:27:31,360
you know white head with these big guys

716
00:27:34,470 --> 00:27:33,039
you know standing on the road and they

717
00:27:36,789 --> 00:27:34,480
crashed so

718
00:27:37,510 --> 00:27:36,799
and knocked unconscious so the guy was

719
00:27:39,269 --> 00:27:37,520
he didn't

720
00:27:40,870 --> 00:27:39,279
remember how long he was unconscious but

721
00:27:43,830 --> 00:27:40,880
when he came round he

722
00:27:44,310 --> 00:27:43,840
he ran back to the school wow and of

723
00:27:47,430 --> 00:27:44,320
course

724
00:27:48,070 --> 00:27:47,440
in zimbabwe they have this mythology

725
00:27:50,389 --> 00:27:48,080
called the

726
00:27:51,269 --> 00:27:50,399
tocologies you know in their local

727
00:27:53,430 --> 00:27:51,279
culture

728
00:27:54,630 --> 00:27:53,440
right yeah and the docus are like little

729
00:27:56,549 --> 00:27:54,640
creatures

730
00:27:59,909 --> 00:27:56,559
that can come into your house and they

731
00:28:01,909 --> 00:27:59,919
do all kinds of mischief or they

732
00:28:04,470 --> 00:28:01,919
you know it's part of the local

733
00:28:07,029 --> 00:28:04,480
superstition there you know sure oh

734
00:28:07,990 --> 00:28:07,039
some of the kids local kids in the

735
00:28:10,950 --> 00:28:08,000
school were

736
00:28:11,990 --> 00:28:10,960
attributing the aliens to the topologies

737
00:28:15,430 --> 00:28:12,000
wow okay

738
00:28:18,149 --> 00:28:15,440
so you can see how that

739
00:28:19,830 --> 00:28:18,159
culture also affects what they were

740
00:28:22,870 --> 00:28:19,840
translating what they were seeing

741
00:28:26,310 --> 00:28:22,880
you know yeah i mean and then

742
00:28:29,669 --> 00:28:26,320
obviously later on john mack came over

743
00:28:31,029 --> 00:28:29,679
and interviewed the kids and i'm sure a

744
00:28:31,990 --> 00:28:31,039
lot of you have seen some of those

745
00:28:34,230 --> 00:28:32,000
interviews

746
00:28:35,190 --> 00:28:34,240
uh that he did which were absolutely

747
00:28:37,590 --> 00:28:35,200
fascinating

748
00:28:39,190 --> 00:28:37,600
yeah absolutely um from his point of

749
00:28:42,389 --> 00:28:39,200
view did you meet him

750
00:28:45,430 --> 00:28:42,399
yes i met him i went out with

751
00:28:46,870 --> 00:28:45,440
i actually went out with him

752
00:28:48,310 --> 00:28:46,880
when they were interviewing the kids so

753
00:28:50,549 --> 00:28:48,320
i was actually sitting in the room while

754
00:28:53,590 --> 00:28:50,559
he was interviewing them wow so that was

755
00:28:55,830 --> 00:28:53,600
absolutely you know a privilege a big

756
00:28:58,630 --> 00:28:55,840
fan of big fan of his work i mean

757
00:29:00,710 --> 00:28:58,640
that's impressive man and i even had we

758
00:29:02,710 --> 00:29:00,720
had dinner with him later as well so

759
00:29:05,669 --> 00:29:02,720
we were discussing on the table and i

760
00:29:07,990 --> 00:29:05,679
gave him this year

761
00:29:09,269 --> 00:29:08,000
a drawing from the descriptions the kids

762
00:29:11,510 --> 00:29:09,279
did

763
00:29:13,750 --> 00:29:11,520
right okay this is actually his notes

764
00:29:17,110 --> 00:29:13,760
here because this is a copy so i've

765
00:29:18,870 --> 00:29:17,120
he had the original that i drew for him

766
00:29:20,310 --> 00:29:18,880
um because a lot of the kids were saying

767
00:29:21,990 --> 00:29:20,320
they saw this thing with

768
00:29:24,310 --> 00:29:22,000
hair you know it looked like hair on

769
00:29:25,590 --> 00:29:24,320
them so

770
00:29:27,350 --> 00:29:25,600
which was him seeing which was

771
00:29:29,990 --> 00:29:27,360
interesting mostly you just

772
00:29:30,389 --> 00:29:30,000
hear people just talking about you know

773
00:29:33,190 --> 00:29:30,399
just

774
00:29:33,510 --> 00:29:33,200
the big head and the big eyes yeah and

775
00:29:35,029 --> 00:29:33,520
so

776
00:29:37,510 --> 00:29:35,039
but they were talking well the kids were

777
00:29:41,029 --> 00:29:37,520
talking with hair for some reason

778
00:29:43,830 --> 00:29:41,039
and this tight tight-fitting outfit

779
00:29:45,669 --> 00:29:43,840
right yeah yeah like a space like a

780
00:29:47,590 --> 00:29:45,679
spacesuit almost i think yeah they

781
00:29:48,950 --> 00:29:47,600
like this either like a space well they

782
00:29:50,630 --> 00:29:48,960
didn't even know us basically they were

783
00:29:54,630 --> 00:29:50,640
calling like diver suits or

784
00:29:56,789 --> 00:29:54,640
tight sure of course yeah wow

785
00:29:58,230 --> 00:29:56,799
so yeah amazing amazing i mean i still

786
00:29:59,190 --> 00:29:58,240
get goosebumps when i think about the

787
00:30:02,149 --> 00:29:59,200
case

788
00:30:04,149 --> 00:30:02,159
i can imagine i mean i'm trying to put

789
00:30:07,430 --> 00:30:04,159
myself in your shoes just the way you

790
00:30:10,149 --> 00:30:07,440
explained it in such details and

791
00:30:11,190 --> 00:30:10,159
yeah yeah i mean i suppose back then you

792
00:30:12,630 --> 00:30:11,200
didn't know that this was going to be

793
00:30:13,510 --> 00:30:12,640
something you'd still be talking about

794
00:30:17,029 --> 00:30:13,520
you know

795
00:30:19,909 --> 00:30:17,039
25 odd years later i mean i i only

796
00:30:20,630 --> 00:30:19,919
was with cynthia maybe two years and

797
00:30:23,110 --> 00:30:20,640
then this

798
00:30:23,750 --> 00:30:23,120
major case just literally dropped on our

799
00:30:26,389 --> 00:30:23,760
doorstep

800
00:30:28,389 --> 00:30:26,399
you know which is about 22 kilometers

801
00:30:32,070 --> 00:30:28,399
out of harare so it's really

802
00:30:34,389 --> 00:30:32,080
not far away from the city yeah

803
00:30:35,269 --> 00:30:34,399
but still rural in zimbabwe's terms you

804
00:30:37,750 --> 00:30:35,279
know because it's

805
00:30:39,430 --> 00:30:37,760
it's still when you got there it's in so

806
00:30:42,310 --> 00:30:39,440
far removed from

807
00:30:43,830 --> 00:30:42,320
anywhere really and did you hold on to

808
00:30:45,590 --> 00:30:43,840
many of the documents and files and

809
00:30:47,430 --> 00:30:45,600
stuff from the reports or did cynthia

810
00:30:50,950 --> 00:30:47,440
have all of that after the fact

811
00:30:54,470 --> 00:30:50,960
yeah we i had all the documents

812
00:30:55,190 --> 00:30:54,480
and it's all been archived for longevity

813
00:30:59,029 --> 00:30:55,200
now

814
00:31:01,509 --> 00:30:59,039
no so there's a

815
00:31:02,470 --> 00:31:01,519
swedish company that's storing all the

816
00:31:05,509 --> 00:31:02,480
documents

817
00:31:08,310 --> 00:31:05,519
they can be for

818
00:31:09,110 --> 00:31:08,320
posterity really so anyone can get into

819
00:31:12,070 --> 00:31:09,120
them

820
00:31:12,950 --> 00:31:12,080
in future dates and you know get the

821
00:31:14,950 --> 00:31:12,960
data and is that

822
00:31:16,230 --> 00:31:14,960
accessible by the for the general public

823
00:31:18,310 --> 00:31:16,240
as well

824
00:31:19,990 --> 00:31:18,320
i'm not sure if it's genuinely

825
00:31:20,389 --> 00:31:20,000
accessible to the public at the moment

826
00:31:22,710 --> 00:31:20,399
but

827
00:31:23,750 --> 00:31:22,720
i can find out for you i'd be very

828
00:31:26,630 --> 00:31:23,760
interested in seeing

829
00:31:28,549 --> 00:31:26,640
those documents so yeah at some point in

830
00:31:31,669 --> 00:31:28,559
the future if you don't mind

831
00:31:31,990 --> 00:31:31,679
um so how did you feel i mean you we had

832
00:31:34,310 --> 00:31:32,000
a little

833
00:31:35,110 --> 00:31:34,320
brief chat before we we came on live and

834
00:31:36,710 --> 00:31:35,120
you said that you

835
00:31:38,230 --> 00:31:36,720
you know you you read about this the

836
00:31:41,509 --> 00:31:38,240
subject still and

837
00:31:43,509 --> 00:31:41,519
let's talk about um did you see

838
00:31:46,070 --> 00:31:43,519
the phenomenon the documentary by james

839
00:31:48,230 --> 00:31:46,080
fox uh i think it was 2018.

840
00:31:49,430 --> 00:31:48,240
how did that make you feel seeing the

841
00:31:51,590 --> 00:31:49,440
case being brought up

842
00:31:52,789 --> 00:31:51,600
back into the limelight as well did that

843
00:31:55,350 --> 00:31:52,799
just i mean

844
00:31:56,310 --> 00:31:55,360
to be honest i never thought the case

845
00:32:00,630 --> 00:31:56,320
would grow

846
00:32:02,950 --> 00:32:00,640
as it has now especially in the last

847
00:32:03,909 --> 00:32:02,960
couple of years really since yeah

848
00:32:07,830 --> 00:32:03,919
actually since

849
00:32:09,350 --> 00:32:07,840
the a tip with alezondo and all those

850
00:32:10,149 --> 00:32:09,360
people coming up suddenly there's just

851
00:32:12,230 --> 00:32:10,159
been

852
00:32:13,750 --> 00:32:12,240
a boom in this and a lot of people funny

853
00:32:15,590 --> 00:32:13,760
enough have been asking dude do you know

854
00:32:16,950 --> 00:32:15,600
about the school at ariel and he said

855
00:32:19,590 --> 00:32:16,960
yes

856
00:32:20,470 --> 00:32:19,600
and they said what do you think of why

857
00:32:22,389 --> 00:32:20,480
they appeared there

858
00:32:23,590 --> 00:32:22,399
you know and you said do you know

859
00:32:26,830 --> 00:32:23,600
there's um

860
00:32:29,909 --> 00:32:26,840
a uranium mine not far away because i

861
00:32:32,870 --> 00:32:29,919
associating um these crafts with

862
00:32:34,470 --> 00:32:32,880
nuclear obviously with his military

863
00:32:35,350 --> 00:32:34,480
background i think that's where he goes

864
00:32:37,909 --> 00:32:35,360
you know with that

865
00:32:39,590 --> 00:32:37,919
yeah i tried looking that up online and

866
00:32:41,269 --> 00:32:39,600
i couldn't find anything to suggest

867
00:32:42,630 --> 00:32:41,279
there was a uranium mine nearby can you

868
00:32:45,830 --> 00:32:42,640
confirm that there was

869
00:32:47,750 --> 00:32:45,840
there is there is a uranium mine

870
00:32:49,909 --> 00:32:47,760
uh but it's not like it's right there

871
00:32:51,029 --> 00:32:49,919
it's like a little bit of a distance

872
00:32:53,990 --> 00:32:51,039
away from me but

873
00:32:54,389 --> 00:32:54,000
in terms of scale it's very close you

874
00:32:57,350 --> 00:32:54,399
know

875
00:32:58,630 --> 00:32:57,360
i'll have to if you could because i

876
00:33:00,230 --> 00:32:58,640
literally just couldn't

877
00:33:02,230 --> 00:33:00,240
i mean then i was looking i was like oh

878
00:33:04,230 --> 00:33:02,240
hang on a minute this was 94 maybe

879
00:33:05,830 --> 00:33:04,240
it was been and gone so i was then

880
00:33:07,590 --> 00:33:05,840
trying to dive back into historic

881
00:33:10,230 --> 00:33:07,600
records from

882
00:33:11,830 --> 00:33:10,240
from zimbabwe and i just i just couldn't

883
00:33:12,230 --> 00:33:11,840
find anything i was really frustrated

884
00:33:14,310 --> 00:33:12,240
because

885
00:33:15,830 --> 00:33:14,320
i wanted to make that connection you

886
00:33:16,310 --> 00:33:15,840
know and prove that what lou was saying

887
00:33:17,990 --> 00:33:16,320
was

888
00:33:19,669 --> 00:33:18,000
you know had some validity to it so

889
00:33:21,269 --> 00:33:19,679
thank you i'd love to

890
00:33:23,190 --> 00:33:21,279
love any any information you can provide

891
00:33:24,630 --> 00:33:23,200
yeah i'll try and i'll try and dig that

892
00:33:27,990 --> 00:33:24,640
up for you as well

893
00:33:30,310 --> 00:33:28,000
and also if anyone wants to

894
00:33:31,669 --> 00:33:30,320
read cynthia's booklets the year for

895
00:33:35,669 --> 00:33:31,679
africa's

896
00:33:38,149 --> 00:33:35,679
little booklets i've created a website

897
00:33:39,909 --> 00:33:38,159
dedicated to it basically and i've put

898
00:33:40,230 --> 00:33:39,919
all her booklets there there's about i

899
00:33:43,430 --> 00:33:40,240
think

900
00:33:45,830 --> 00:33:43,440
21 of them so there's pdfs on there

901
00:33:49,190 --> 00:33:45,840
which anyone can read from

902
00:33:53,750 --> 00:33:49,200
on there i think booklets 12

903
00:33:55,590 --> 00:33:53,760
and 13 should have aerial school

904
00:33:57,590 --> 00:33:55,600
information in there for those who want

905
00:33:59,669 --> 00:33:57,600
to have a read through that

906
00:34:01,430 --> 00:33:59,679
as well of course if you actually after

907
00:34:01,990 --> 00:34:01,440
this is finished if you want to send me

908
00:34:03,750 --> 00:34:02,000
the link

909
00:34:06,149 --> 00:34:03,760
i can pop it in the description of this

910
00:34:07,269 --> 00:34:06,159
video so whoever wants to to go in can

911
00:34:09,190 --> 00:34:07,279
can do that and

912
00:34:11,430 --> 00:34:09,200
i mean that's incredible thank you so

913
00:34:14,149 --> 00:34:11,440
much um

914
00:34:15,750 --> 00:34:14,159
just sticking with the case obviously um

915
00:34:17,589 --> 00:34:15,760
did you ever get back in touch with any

916
00:34:21,030 --> 00:34:17,599
of the kids now that they're older or

917
00:34:22,629 --> 00:34:21,040
speak to them since yes um

918
00:34:25,909 --> 00:34:22,639
funny enough today one of the kids

919
00:34:29,430 --> 00:34:27,750
and i was laughing to myself because i'm

920
00:34:31,510 --> 00:34:29,440
sure it's him for ryan

921
00:34:34,230 --> 00:34:31,520
in this picture but he's a much bigger

922
00:34:37,270 --> 00:34:34,240
guy now

923
00:34:39,510 --> 00:34:37,280
and um he was just text

924
00:34:40,710 --> 00:34:39,520
you know send me a message on instagram

925
00:34:42,389 --> 00:34:40,720
message uh

926
00:34:44,869 --> 00:34:42,399
you know saying hello do you remember me

927
00:34:47,190 --> 00:34:44,879
i was part of the you know the sighting

928
00:34:47,990 --> 00:34:47,200
that happened in ariel i said oh yeah

929
00:34:50,310 --> 00:34:48,000
that's fantastic

930
00:34:51,829 --> 00:34:50,320
we'll have to talk sometime you know

931
00:34:53,510 --> 00:34:51,839
that's incredible man

932
00:34:55,030 --> 00:34:53,520
yeah i have i have spoken some of the

933
00:34:58,230 --> 00:34:55,040
kids and also lisa

934
00:34:58,950 --> 00:34:58,240
who drew that ufo craft that looks like

935
00:35:01,349 --> 00:34:58,960
a dome

936
00:35:03,430 --> 00:35:01,359
and you see the aliens next to it yeah

937
00:35:04,150 --> 00:35:03,440
she's i'm in contact with you as well i

938
00:35:07,510 --> 00:35:04,160
haven't

939
00:35:10,550 --> 00:35:07,520
spoken to her uh face to face

940
00:35:12,310 --> 00:35:10,560
we just uh spoke on facebook you know

941
00:35:15,030 --> 00:35:12,320
because of the lockdown no one can

942
00:35:18,230 --> 00:35:15,040
really see each other you know

943
00:35:19,750 --> 00:35:18,240
no of course it's fast oh maybe we

944
00:35:21,430 --> 00:35:19,760
should do this again except next time

945
00:35:22,630 --> 00:35:21,440
you can invite your uh your friends in

946
00:35:24,230 --> 00:35:22,640
and we can get

947
00:35:26,069 --> 00:35:24,240
different viewpoints i think that would

948
00:35:28,470 --> 00:35:26,079
be absolutely amazing so

949
00:35:30,230 --> 00:35:28,480
um yeah i think um they got the the best

950
00:35:31,910 --> 00:35:30,240
part of the story

951
00:35:33,750 --> 00:35:31,920
yeah i mean i mean the fact that you

952
00:35:35,990 --> 00:35:33,760
were there is is huge

953
00:35:37,829 --> 00:35:36,000
um like i've said to you already i'm so

954
00:35:41,109 --> 00:35:37,839
grateful that you were able to join us

955
00:35:42,790 --> 00:35:41,119
um thank you so much i won't keep you

956
00:35:44,390 --> 00:35:42,800
any longer i've asked all my questions

957
00:35:44,870 --> 00:35:44,400
and i would love it if we could do this

958
00:35:46,630 --> 00:35:44,880
again

959
00:35:47,910 --> 00:35:46,640
get a few of you of the witnesses in

960
00:35:50,390 --> 00:35:47,920
alongside you

961
00:35:52,150 --> 00:35:50,400
um and yeah thank you so much guns i

962
00:35:54,150 --> 00:35:52,160
really appreciate it it's been

963
00:35:55,670 --> 00:35:54,160
it's been incredible it's a real

964
00:35:56,710 --> 00:35:55,680
pleasure vinnie and thank you for

965
00:35:58,310 --> 00:35:56,720
inviting me

966
00:35:59,990 --> 00:35:58,320
hey no problem and we'll stay in touch

967
00:36:02,230 --> 00:36:00,000
as well i'd like to uh

968
00:36:03,750 --> 00:36:02,240
you know do that all right then well

969
00:36:04,230 --> 00:36:03,760
listen you uh enjoy the rest of your

970
00:36:07,349 --> 00:36:04,240
evening

971
00:36:08,150 --> 00:36:07,359
and uh we'll speak soon thank you okay

972
00:36:12,230 --> 00:36:08,160
take care

973
00:36:15,430 --> 00:36:12,240
bye bye

974
00:36:17,030 --> 00:36:15,440
wow guys that was incredible um

975
00:36:18,870 --> 00:36:17,040
to hear the facts and the smaller

976
00:36:21,910 --> 00:36:18,880
details from someone that was there

977
00:36:23,270 --> 00:36:21,920
you know on this incredible case these

978
00:36:25,670 --> 00:36:23,280
mass sighting cases

979
00:36:26,550 --> 00:36:25,680
are you know up there with the best and

980
00:36:28,310 --> 00:36:26,560
ones that involve

981
00:36:29,829 --> 00:36:28,320
children who are so pure and innocent

982
00:36:31,589 --> 00:36:29,839
who aren't in it

983
00:36:33,270 --> 00:36:31,599
to tell lies and things like that this

984
00:36:34,390 --> 00:36:33,280
is why it's one of my favorite cases of

985
00:36:37,349 --> 00:36:34,400
all time but

986
00:36:38,790 --> 00:36:37,359
guys thank you so much for joining me um

987
00:36:39,990 --> 00:36:38,800
i think this is my last interview now

988
00:36:42,069 --> 00:36:40,000
for about a week or so

989
00:36:43,030 --> 00:36:42,079
i've got a little short family vacation

990
00:36:44,710 --> 00:36:43,040
planned

991
00:36:46,230 --> 00:36:44,720
it's been a busy couple of weeks that's

992
00:36:47,510 --> 00:36:46,240
for sure but i wanted to say thank you

993
00:36:49,750 --> 00:36:47,520
all again

994
00:36:50,710 --> 00:36:49,760
for all the support across all of my

995
00:36:54,310 --> 00:36:50,720
platforms the

996
00:36:56,069 --> 00:36:54,320
uh instagram twitter youtube um

997
00:36:57,990 --> 00:36:56,079
one thing i have got going on and how

998
00:36:59,670 --> 00:36:58,000
could i forget about this tomorrow on my

999
00:37:00,630 --> 00:36:59,680
other youtube channel the max and vinnie

1000
00:37:02,950 --> 00:37:00,640
uap show

1001
00:37:04,069 --> 00:37:02,960
we're doing a uk special looking at

1002
00:37:06,069 --> 00:37:04,079
cases from

1003
00:37:09,190 --> 00:37:06,079
over time throughout the uk we will be

1004
00:37:11,510 --> 00:37:09,200
joined by mr nick pope former mod

1005
00:37:12,790 --> 00:37:11,520
employee on the ufo desk there so yeah

1006
00:37:14,870 --> 00:37:12,800
if you head over to my instagram all the

1007
00:37:16,310 --> 00:37:14,880
details are there you can go and

1008
00:37:18,470 --> 00:37:16,320
get ready for that tomorrow night but

1009
00:37:19,030 --> 00:37:18,480
yeah for now guys enjoy the rest of your